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Post by LOUD MOUSE » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:40 pm

HONDA issued thousands of these engines and the bolt which holds the DISTANCE PIECE can be tightened enough to NEVER COME LOOSE but if you need to add a LOCK WASHER at that location I'd say go ahead.
As I look at the pic I'm not sure I see item #34 which IS NECESSARY. ......lm
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48lesco wrote:Bob750 if you're still with us... No, that's not normal:)
Ok, so, um, I don't know what happened, but I either didn't get the reply notification months ago for this thread or I did but ignored it. (???) In any case thank you all for chiming in about this. This thread started when I was just doing clutch work and made the discovery. I left the wire in place at that time. But since then, I've disassembled the entire bike...

As some of you may have seen in my rebuild thread, I cut off that rat's nest and removed the bolt. It was a mess in there.

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I've since Heli-Coiled it and all is well with that part of the situation. See?

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And I did enjoy reading the debate about washers. Yes? No? Spring? Lock? Flat? I don't think anyone mentioned Washer, Plain, which I tend to think is just another word for Flat. But all the talk got me thinking.

Up until now, I have been planning on putting a 6mm spring (lock) washer under the bolt head (as is called for in my CA77 manual -- "Reference 33. Washer, Locking") to ensure the bolt doesn't move, what with it being subject to rotation (however slight) by the movement of the Primary Chain Tensioner. Now I'm not so sure because of this debate.

I've tested the installation, and it looks and feels good to me with a lock washer on it. Without, it feels naked. The way I see it. If there is no washer and the bolt becomes loose, we can guess what would happen, right? If there is a washer, there is very little chance, if I torque it properly, that it will loosen. But if it does somehow back its way off, the risk of a loose lock washer floating around the case is trivial compared to a loose 2-inch bolt (which would have to come off before the washer fell away anyway) floating around in there. Either way there is hardware floating around and no tension on the PC. So I tend to think that putting a lock washer at that location is the most logical solution. It bites the distance piece and the bolt head, putting tension on them. It also presents a smooth surface to the tensioner arm--at least smoother that the six sharp points of the bolt head.

There is this though: the part number in the catalog isn't 94111-06000 (Washer, Spring, 6mm); it's 90432-259-000 (Washer, Locking). This suggests to me that it's not just a spring washer as I'm intending on using, and it's not a tabbed washer if the drawing has anything correct about it. So it could be a washer of similar design to the one that goes under the 4-lobed primary chain drive sprocket nut. But such a part doesn't seem to exist anywhere any longer. So is my spring washer gonna do it for me? Or should I wing it without? Who's buying the drinks if my wife's Dream throws a primary chain? ;-) I can tighten in well enough either way I suppose now that there's a stainless steel Heli-Coil in there.

I hope no one minds me reigniting this thread. I'm sorry it dropped off my radar!

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Post by Bob750 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:49 pm

LOUD MOUSE wrote:HONDA issued thousands of these engines and the bolt which holds the DISTANCE PIECE can be tightened enough to NEVER COME LOOSE but if you need to add a LOCK WASHER at that location I'd say go ahead.
As I look at the pic I'm not sure I see item #34 which IS NECESSARY. ......lm
Sorry, that missing washer is on my parts order list (along with a ton of other stuff from a bunch of different sources). It wasn't included when I acquired the bike. And I may just go without a washer on the bolt. Thanks for your feedback.

Bob
Mine: '74 CB750 K4 -- Hers: '64 CA78
Had: '75 CB550 K, '79 CT90

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Post by 48lesco » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:31 pm

Bob - I've seen a 6mm flat washer or no washer at all in the one's I've taken apart. I don't think a lock washer is necessary there but would do no harm. You could put some loctite in there as well. BTW - The big washer on top of the spring is missing in the picture.
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Post by Bob750 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:35 pm

Yeah, I'm ordering the big washer for the spring and may just put a flat washer on the bolt.
Mine: '74 CB750 K4 -- Hers: '64 CA78
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Post by Bob750 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:32 am

In case anyone happens by this thread in the future and wants to see how it ended up, here's the pic.

As you can see the special large washer is now accounted for atop the spring. I ended up putting a flat washer on the distance piece.

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Thanks for all the help!
Mine: '74 CB750 K4 -- Hers: '64 CA78
Had: '75 CB550 K, '79 CT90

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