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[jerry]

Good on you Davomoto. What I see is the Honda 305 Family with things being normal in Family life. You are all beautiful people. Jerry

[LOUD MOUSE]

Now feller I see ya can offer things for discussion and answer some requests for information.
No actual number data but at least response.
I will take exception when ya say "and the fact that almost the complete production of the CB77 were sold to the US, was the other reason that there were """no CB77 left""" to sell in the Netherlands.
Now come on jensen- myth or fact?
I do get confused as ya say "At the end of the production of the CB77, the Bomber came to the Netherlands, and the people wanted a modern big bike, so the CB77 was ignored"followed with "
(it was readily available in the 1965)".
Here in the US we had the 450 in 65 and the CB77 also up to 1968 for the 450.
What's up there feller?
I offered the CB72 numbers from the data offered to anyone from the Bill Silver information books and PDF files.
What do ya have to offer to support " The production figures of the CB72 are not correct, but not far from the truth either" so we can get a fuller picture of what was available.
Fortunately the CB72/77 series of bikes had parts which interchanged through all the years.
The rare limited issue (60/61) parts were produced in small numbers as HONDA improved the bike for dependability and cost in $$$. OK YEN!
Now see there feller ya can offer info and not be Attacked to expand what ya offer.
Now for my sensitive nature.
PLEASE "DON"T use caps when ya refer to me as "LM".
I sign off as "lm" unless I think ya have "Lit My Wick" then I use caps!. ...:-)............lm

Hi Steve,

In the Netherlands the insurance was a partly reason, and the fact that almost the complete production of the CB77 were sold to the US, was the other reason that there were no CB77 left to sell in the Netherlands.

At the end of the production of the CB77, the Bomber came to the Netherlands, and the people wanted a modern big bike, so the CB77 was ignored (it was readily available in the 1965).

The production figures of the CB72 are not correct, but not far from the truth either, like I said, the CB72 was produced earlier then the CB77, and the production ended later. That doesn't say anything about the production figures (in amount of bikes produced). The CB77 was a big seller in parts of the world (mostly the US), the CB72 wasn't a big seller in general, but sold mostly in Europe, and over a longer period.

In my never ending search for (early) parts, I came across a lot of early parts in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany and England. Most parts are from CB72's (except one cylinder and head which has the 10 mm spark plug and the 8 hole cylinder from a CB77).

On Ebay.com, I do not come across early parts often, mostly in the era 1963 to 1966.

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

All will be good!
As a friend in AUSTRALIA tells me!!!...................lm

Days of our lives alla honda305.com. Two men who know way too much about these bikes, but approach them from different perspectives. I've spoken with Jensen on the phone, and have had may correspondenses with Ed. I can say that both men are very dedicated to the truth, and without thier passion, our understanding of these vehicles would suffer greatly. Sorry, I don't usually get involved with the drama,but I couldn't resist!

[LOUD MOUSE]

Back about 1964 I was riding my 1962 CL72 across the Santa Ana, California mountains on dirt roads with a friend on a C110 and a feller on one of those stripped to dirt riding came up on me and we looked at each other and he "gassed it" and so did I and to my total pleasure "I BLEW HIM AWAY".
My early experience with a single versus a twin of similar CC.
Now wouldn't I love to have THAT BIKE today!! CL72 of course! .............lm

I imagine that, back in the day, the CB72 would have been a popular choice to import into the UK; the rationale being:

• It
  could be legally ridden by budding motorcyclists with just a 'provisional' licence*
  looked and performed like a proper motorcycle**
  is a 'twin'***
  has looks that are indiscernible from its bigger-displacement sibling****

* Back then, in the UK, one was allowed to ride a m/c under 250cc with just a provisional licence; there was no time limit surrounding 'passing the test' and one wasn't compelled to undergo CBT (Compulsory Basic Training); L-plates were required to be clearly displayed, back & front and carrying a pillion passenger was reliant upon him or her having passed their m/c test. Upon 'passing' one could jump on any displacement of m/c (at 16) and ride, ride, ride! This law was first changed -- I can't be sure as to when but I believe it was the late '70s -- whereby a 16-year-old could ride only a 50cc moped and then, I believe, up to 125cc after the age of 17 until he/she passed the test. Maybe G-man, phactory Phil, Simon (Fisher) or Dennis could clarify here? It didn't apply to me and I had no kids 'till '81, so no interest in the law change.

**We had decrepit 4-stroke 250cc singles (BSA C15 & Barracuda -- I'm sure Matchless, AJS et al tried too -- along with the 200cc Triumph Tiger Cub)

***We also had a 4-stroke twin: the very woolly and wheezie Norton Jubilee! Our 2-stroke twins (Ariel Leader & Arrow, plus '50s Villiers 2T-engined leftovers) weren't particularly inspiring either. The importation of the CB72 was a no-contest invasion!

****Every '60s & '70s self-respecting motorcycling 16-year-old would have been desperate for his mates & their girlfriends to think that he had a 'big bike'! Britain had little that could compete with the 305 -- short of the 500cc BSA A7 & subsequent A50, or Triumph's later 5T Twenty One, 5TA Speed Twin or Daytona -- and the 350cc 3TA Tiger 90 stood little chance.

Sorry if I've opened up a festering wound, guys. It's all in a good cause, though!

Decrepit?!?!....200 CC Triumph Cub?
I thought it was the most beautiful bike on the planet when I got mine...moving up from a 50 CC Honda C110!
On the 3rd replacement connecting rod I decided it was time to move on, and it wasn't so beautiful anymore.
It was fun when it was running though.
Mine was blue and silver, never saw one this color....

[LOUD MOUSE]

Weapon!!!
Weapon!!!
Sabers!!!
Well ya got me with the "RUST" for sure! .......:-). .......lm

The rattle of sabres jars loose the flecks of rust from each weapon, leaving the keen edges we seek.

Wilf

[chrisnoel]

Motor turns freely and bike only has 9k on the clock. I've opened up every cover I can that allows me to see into the trani case and cam area. I don't see any moisture/rust damage at all. Only thing that makes me wonder if I should open the head and block is that I can see the surface area of the intake valves and they seem wide to me. They look every bit of 2mm wide at the seating surface but not dished out as they would be from wear.

Any one know if 2mm is within specs for these valves or are they shot?

[jensen]

Hi,

Is it possible to make a picture of it, as I don't understand what would be 2 mm wider ?

Jensen